In our Q3-F25 quarterly webinar, Portfolio Manager Sam LaBell discussed current market valuation risks, the gold rally, the case for active management and the future direction of the market.
Sam reviewed the performance of our three funds: the Veritas Canadian Equity Fund (a long-only strategy), the Veritas Absolute Return Fund (a long-short strategy), and the Veritas Next Edge Premium Yield Fund (targeting a 5% annual yield through covered calls). All three funds have demonstrated lower volatility than their respective benchmarks, which is a key differentiator for Veritas’ investment approach.
Top Wins YTD (7:12)
Sam comments on several top-performing names, including Bombardier Inc. (TSX: BBD.b), and several gold names, including Agnico Eagle Mines Ltd. (NYSE, TSX: AEM), Barrick Mining Corp. (NYSE: B, TSX: ABX), Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE, TSX: WPM), and Hudbay Minerals Inc. (NYSE, TSX: HBM). His approach to gold miners focuses on those with the lowest risk. “Your main risk in terms of owning a gold miner is operations.”
Other successful positions include Rogers Communications Inc. (NYSE: RCI, TSX: RCI.b), Maple Leaf Foods Inc. (TSX: MFI), Toronto-Dominion Bank (NYSE, TSX: TD), MINISO Group Holding Limited (NYSE: MNSO), Royal Bank of Canada (NYSE, TSX: RY), AtkinsRealis Group Inc. (TSX: ATRL), Fortis Inc. (TSX: FTS), Canada Goose Holdings Inc. (NYSE, TSX: GOOS), and Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd. (TSX: FFH).
Successful short positions include Cargojet Inc. (TSX: CJT), TransAlta Corp. (TSX: TA), Alimentation Couche-Tard Inc. (TSX: ATD), goeasy Ltd. (TSX: GSY), Williams-Sonoma Inc. (NYSE: WSM), TFI International Inc. (NYSE, TSX: TFII), General Mills Inc. (NYSE: GIS), Teck Resources Ltd. (NYSE, TECK, TSX: TECK.b), and Advance Auto Parts Inc. (NYSE, AAP).
“We’re trying to build a portfolio of 25 to 40 names that just underperforms the market. The chance of you finding a great short that goes to zero every year is quite difficult.”
Market Valuation Risks (25:40)
“There is a lot of reason to be a little bit concerned,” Sam said, showing that when investors paid more than 20 times actual operating earnings, subsequent returns were typically underwhelming. The current market is at approximately 23 times estimates, placing it in the highest-risk group, where average historical returns have been negative (-9%). If analyst estimates prove 10% too high, the market would be at 25.7 times operating earnings, further increasing risk.* Additional analysis of price-to-trailing earnings shows that when markets trade above 24 times trailing earnings (the current market is at 28 times), there’s a 36% probability of losing money over five years and an 18% probability of a 15% end-to-end loss.**
“It’s definitely a warning flashing here that the market is very expensive and you might want to take a little bit of risk off the table.”
Gold Rally Analysis (34:40)
Sam examines the drivers behind gold’s dramatic rally to over US$4,000 an ounce. He explains that gold supply is relatively constrained, making demand the key factor in price movements. While technology and fabrication demand tend to decrease as prices rise, central bank buying (driven by diversification from U.S. dollars) and investment demand (particularly ETF flows) have been the main drivers. Sam is concerned that ETF demand is pro-cyclical and potentially unstable. “People are looking for a speculative return.” As gold prices rise, more money flows into ETFs, accentuating the cycle, but this could reverse if prices stagnate or fall. Analyzing gold’s historical value relative to U.S. GDP since 1970, he notes that previous price peaks were followed by dramatic corrections (27-51% drops). “That’s the risk we want to keep in the back of our heads. We want to participate in the rally [but take some risk off the table.]”***
Case for Active Management (46:30)
In years when the S&P/TSX Composite rose more than 10%, about 80% of stocks rose, making it difficult to distinguish great active managers from the average ones. However, in years when the index returned less than 10%, approximately 54% of stocks lost money and 36% lost more than 10%. These challenging market conditions, which occurred in 10 of the last 20 years, require greater due diligence and judgment. The Veritas Canadian Equity Fund has a downside capture of 71% (quarterly performance in down quarters for the S&P/TSX since May 23, 2018 inception), while the Veritas Absolute Return Fund has a downside capture of 15% (quarterly performance in down quarters for the S&P/TSX since September 30, 2019 inception), compared to 26% for a bond index. Meanwhile, the Veritas Next Edge Premium Yield Fund has a downside capture of 75% (based on its monthly performance in down months compared to the S&P/TSX since its inception on June 28, 2022).****
Conclusions and Outlook (53.25)
“We’re not saying get out of the market,” Sam said. “We do think it is still worth looking for growth at a reasonable price.” Focus on companies with consistent operations, strong cash flows, solid balance sheets, good management, and the ability to weather a full economic cycle. “Risk comes in cycles. It’s time to de-risk a little bit.”


